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Leadership Spotlight: Suzanne Simms

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The Leadership Spotlight continues this week with Suzanne Simms. Suzanne the Affiliate Relations VP and has been with The Dave Ramsey Show since September 2001.

She is responsible for leading a team whose shared focus is to grow The Dave Ramsey Show. They do this by developing relationships with the program decision makers in the world of talk radio (current and potential affiliates), keeping track of ratings in each market, networking with group owners on a national level, and super-serving the affiliate sales teams by teaching them how to sell Dave. In addition, Network Sales for The Dave Ramsey Show falls under her umbrella.

CLo: What is your role in leadership?

SS: To 1) cast a vision of where we are going, 2) set an example of how to go about accomplishing the goals that get us to the fulfillment of that vision and 3) to hold my teammates accountable for the standard of excellence that I know is expected of all of us that carry this brand here at this organization.  It is a privilege to be here.

CLo: What is the best advice you’ve ever received about leadership?

SS: You can’t motivate unmotivated people. Only hire motivated people. Ever. Period.

CLo: What is the biggest challenge facing leaders today?

SS: The entitlement attitude of a large segment of our population.  It spans multiple generations despite what some people think.  It influences the way people see their compensation and even more annoying to me, it warps the way they see their value to an organization and gives them an unrealistic sense of how quickly they might deserve recognition and decision-making power.

CLo: How do you continue to improve yourself as a leader?

SS: I read, I read, I read. And maybe most importantly, I’m attempting now more than ever to be intentional about spending time with people who will influence me to become a more solid leader and to grow in all areas of my life.  You become like the people you spend the most time with.

CLo: How do you invest in others?

SS: Quality time. Listening. I develop my relationship with each member of my team very differently. They are so different.  They are each at very different stages of professional growth and have different needs so if I were to attempt to mentor them all exactly the same, I would lose credibility with them immediately.

CLo: What was the last book you read?

SS: The Christian Atheist by Craig Groeschel and re-read The Five Dysfunctions of a Team by Patrick Lencioni and went through the study guide and group guide with my team and am reading currently The First 90 Days by Michael Watkins.

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You Light Up My….Eyes?

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Leaders always ask the question, “Am I doing my team right?” Well, good leaders ask that question. (Bad leaders don’t care.) And while this is a concern, Benjamin Zander has a fantastic measuring tool. In his Ted Talk, Benjamin Zander on music and passion, he says you can tell if you’re affecting your team by looking to see if their eyes are shining.

HAHAHA…ok, I have to stop and explain the pic…’cause Aaron West is gonna kill me! We were at an EntreLeadership One Day event in Kansas City. At lunch, one of the items was an incredible broccoli and cheddar soup. As Aaron started on his, he pulled out what looked like a head of broccoli. Apparently they grow broccoli big in KC. As you can see, there’s another clump still in the bowl the size of a Kia.

Back to shinning eyes. Aaron West is one of those guys who you absolutely cherish! He is always there for you, rain or shine, and I have no doubt that if I were ever in danger, he would race in guns a-blazin’! Or…throwing large heads of broccoli. It’s all about what’s available at the time.

I hired Aaron to be an event coordinator, specializing in audio-visual. I flew him, his beautiful wife, Becca, and their gorgeous baby, Ariana, from North Dakota out to our Total Money Makeover LIVE! event in Charleston. When I showed him our set-up, his eyes lit up! I knew then that this was the guy for the job. He had talent, passion and a love for what we do. Actually, I tell him it was Ariana that got him hired.

But just hiring Aaron was not enough. Once he was on my team, it was my job to keep his eyes shining. You see, too many leaders think leadership is all about the position. I watch this confusion all the time from people who think that all they need to do is get the title and then they’re an instant leader. Not true. Leadership is all about those who are following you. It’s kinda like Twitter. If you don’t have anyone following you, it doesn’t matter how many tweets you send out.

My job was to make sure that Aaron saw his job as being bigger than he is. That each day, what he did was going to change someone’s life. Or, better yet, 10,000 lives in one sitting. I also had to make sure he felt like part of the team. That his ideas mattered. And probably most importantly, that I believed in him. Which was not a difficult thing to do.

Do his eyes shine? I believe so. But more than that, because of Aaron West, my eyes shine! You see, leading is about making other people successful. When you do that, naturally, you are successful too. What are you doing today to make your team members’ eyes shine?

Question: What can you do to make your team’s eyes shine?

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What Will Your Obituary Say?

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A couple of weeks ago, a few of us had lunch with the incredible president of World Vision and author of The Hole In Our Gospel, Richard Stearns. I can tell you that he impresses me! Not only is he a talented and intelligent man, but his heart for the suffering is out of this world. If you haven’t read his book, I highly suggest it.

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As I began to read the book, a huge concern was weighing on me. Was God going to call me somewhere else as a result of reading this book? I even asked Richard if people often tell him they were worried his book would make them feel called serve. He said…no. I guess I was alone in that. But he did say that people who’ve read it tend to find a greater purpose in their own lives.

Once I got over myself and read the book, I discovered that my understanding of world poverty was immensely small. That the things I take for granted every day are the things that can save lives. Take water for instance; in an interview Richard said, “They don’t say water is important to life, water is life.” About a third of the children in water-deprived areas of Africa die because there is no clean water. Most children can’t go to school in those areas because they have to leave home and search for drinkable water every day. He also said that if we woke up tomorrow and didn’t have water, our entire lives would become a quest to find it just so we could live another day. And yet, I let it run to get warm so I can wash my hands.

Page by page, my heart broke for those whose lives are held captive by circumstance. I’m not talking about the person who won’t get out of his recliner and go to work. I mean people who don’t have options. And since I’m called to educate people from the place that God has me, the question became, “What can I do to help change the lives of those who are on a quest to find water just so they can live while I enjoy my decaf short vanilla latte 140 degrees?” Well, one way is to give! So I do. Lots!

But I also realized that I am in a position to change lives every day. That I’m a part of something that causes others to change their family trees, and hopefully, get to a point that they can do the same for others. That I educate businesses to solve their problems and grow. And if they are profitable, and if they have a heart for doing more than just taking money home, they too can help those without.

So the question to you, leader or owner – or basically anyone reading this, is what can you do to help those without? Do you just make widgets and sell them? Or do you have a higher purpose? If so, what can you do with your calling to make a difference? Frederick Buechner wrote, “The place God calls you to is the place where your deep gladness and the world’s deep hunger meet.” Are you there? If not, what does it take to get you there?

So what does any of this have to do with the title? One last thing Richard said at lunch, “You can’t write your own obituary, but you can live the one someone will write someday.” Go live it!

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Where’s Your Towel?

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In EntreLeadership, I teach that as a leader, you must have power but seldom use it. Now for most of us, it’s not hard to imagine a powerful leader. But it takes some time for us to wrap our heads around the concept of a leader who doesn’t use that power often. I mean, what’s the point of being a leader if you aren’t using your power…right?

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Well, I’m not saying that you don’t ever use that power, I’m saying you seldom use it. If you’re using every day to flex your leadership muscles, then you’ve not understood what leadership is all about. My belief is that your job as a leader is to make your team successful. As you make them successful, you’ll be successful. And when you just boss your team around, you miss out on one of the most important benefits of having a team, their ownership. Yep, when you treat a team with dignity, and you lift them up instead of trying to get them to put you on a pedestal, they take ownership of the cause.

Andy Stanley talked about using power at Catalyst a few years ago. He asked the crowd, “What you do when you realize that you’re the most powerful person in the room?” He let that sit in our minds for a few seconds, and then he said, “What did Jesus do? He got on His knees, took a towel an wrapped it around His waist, and then He washed the dirt from a bunch of guys dirty, nasty feet.” He chose to use His power by doing something disgusting…serving. And not just serving, but by doing a job that robs you of all pride and ego!

For several years, I played Simon Peter in our Maundy Thursday drama at church. At the beginning, we all walk in to Jesus (played by the fabulous Michael Hall) who’s waiting to wash our feet. The first time I did the play, I went into it thinking it’s just acting. I never expected to have an emotional reaction myself. Then I sat down for Michael to wash my feet, and I realized that a really close friend of mine was actually going to wash my feet. And since he just happened to be dressed up like Jesus, it had a compounded effect on me. There was no possible way to hold back the tears. For a brief moment I imagined the Great I Am washing my feet and I lost it. How could He humble himself to the lowest level for me? Mmmm.

So my question to you is, “Where’s your towel?” What are you doing to serve your team in a way that strips you of your pride as a leader? Are you going to show your team that you are there for them? Or are you going to stay sitting high and mighty upon your throne? I can promise you this, those who will humble themselves before their teams will gain more than just ownership. They’ll gain loyalty! Give it a try and see if I’m wrong. If so, you can let me know, I’m a big boy. :-)

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What Are You Gonna Do?

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One of the quotes I share in EntreLeadership-Chris LoCurto (ECL) is from Jack London – “You can’t wait for inspiration. You have to go after it with a club!”

Last week I spoke to another sold out ECL crowd. The room was full of business leaders and owners who have made the decision that they aren’t going to sit around and wait for something to change their business. Instead, they are going to be proactive in making the necessary changes to continue to grow. Because really, if you’re not growing, you’re dying.

What are you going to do this week to make that change happen? What areas in your business do you need to get off of your tail and go tackle? Think it through, even make a list, then go after it! You’re definitely not going to get traction just waiting for something to happen. Get up and get out!….or stay in and get to work. :-)

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Leadership Spotlight: Dino Evangelista

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The Leadership Spotlight continues this week with Dino Evangelista. For the past three years Dino has been the Business Technology Project Leader for the Broadcast Division of Dave Ramsey’s The Lampo Group, Inc. As Project Leader Dino has responsibility for leading 5 web-based software development teams that serve several businesses including our Radio Team, Endorsed Local Provider (ELP) Program, our MyTotalMoneyMakeover.com subscription site, and most recently our Curriculum and Live Events businesses.

Prior to joining The Lampo Group Dino served as Vice President of Program and Project Management for Confluent Data Systems, Inc. (CDS) based in Washington State. CDS was a startup software development and business analytics company working with various industries including aviation, government services, automotive, and wine industries. Prior to CDS Dino worked for Home Depot as a General Manager after graduating from their “Store Leadership Program”, based on the General Electric “Masters and MBA Leadership Program”, which he started after receiving his MBA from Regis University in Denver, CO. The early phases of Dino’s career he worked as a Network Engineer for such companies as Siemens AG, Perot Systems, and Accenture. In addition to his MBA, he holds a B.S. in Computer and Information Systems from Troy University in Troy, AL. Dino was born a New York Yankee fan in Queens, New York and grew up in Miami, FL where he developed his love for University of Miami Hurricane football. Dino currently live in Franklin, TN with his wife of over 15 years and their three beautiful daughters.

CLo: What is your role in leadership?

DE: As a Project Leader for the Broadcast division, I lead 5 teams of Web Programmers who deliver software solutions that support the various businesses of the division. These solutions include web-based application development and marketing focused development for the Dave Ramsey brand.

CLo: What is the best advice you’ve ever received about leadership?

DE: When it’s not fun for you as a leader, your team will know it and it will become a cancer. If you don’t enjoy what you do, you will never be an effective leader.

CLo: What is the biggest challenge facing leaders today?

DE: To me the biggest challenge I face as a leader is that my younger team members are motivated by their desired feelings of significance on the team. They want to play a role of significance that is sometimes more than they may be ready for. As a leader, we need to help them fulfill that need without putting them in a place where they are set up to fail.

CLo: How do you continue to improve yourself as a leader?

DE: I have a few ways I improve myself as a leader. 1) I read quite a bit and try to apply what I learn directly to what I am doing. 2) I learn from other respected leaders through observation and through time spent with them personally. 3) I ask for a lot of candid feedback from my team members. Quality feedback is something that takes time because your team members need to learn to trust that you can take the candid feedback and that you will change based on the information.  It’s tough to hear sometimes, but it is the best way I know to learn quickly.

CLo: How do you invest in others?

DE: I invest in others in a couple of ways: 1) I am a developer (Not software) by nature. I like to hear what they want to be, not necessarily who they currently are. I like to work with them to develop into what God intended them to be. In the end, I like to help others figure out what they need to do to reach their life’s goals, whether it’s finding the courage to step out of their comfort zone or to change directions completely. 2) I love spending quality time with others; whether it’s time taking someone to lunch or going and hanging out at a hockey game. Sometimes it is face to face discussions and sometimes it should to shoulder sharing of life experiences.

CLo: What was the last book you read?

DE: The last book I read was “Making Vision Stick” by Andy Stanley. It’s really short, but I really enjoyed it. It helped me to define the importance of continually communicating the vision to the team in order to keep everyone heading toward the same target.

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Exclusive – Dave Ramsey Unloading Trucks!

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You gotta admit that’s a good title. Hey, you clicked on it! Anyway, today is day two of EntreLeadership-Chris LoCurto here in Brentwood, Tennessee. And in EntreLeadership, you’ll find a common theme throughout the whole event: In order to lead well, you must serve well. Servant leadership is the only kind of leadership that ultimately works.

When I was hired as the VP of Live Events, I was the 18th person on Dave’s team. (For perspective, there are over 300 of us now.) And back in those days, we would load a van to haul all our products to our live events. At the time, we were holding events in churches instead of arenas, so we didn’t have a lot of stuff to take. Eventually, we moved to larger venues, which required a 12-foot box truck. That graduated to a 16-foot, then a 24-foot, then two 24-foot box trucks, and finally to a big rig. Now we have two big rigs that take all of our stuff, that’s loaded at a fulfillment center, to arena events.

But jumping back to the early days, those trucks had to be loaded at our offices. And with 18 of us, about 10 of us were guys. So all guys were called to load the truck two days before an event, and after Monday staff meeting, to unload the truck. Which was fine when the events were small, but they grew 50% almost overnight when I started Pastor Luncheons. So we needed a bigger truck and more product.

At every truck load/unload, you would see Dave Ramsey right there alongside all of us. Throwing boxes, lifting tables, and giving high-fives to the guys when we were finished. One day, one of the guys snapped this picture and sent it to me. It’s been on my phone for about eight years. From time to time, when people ask if Dave is a prima donna or if he actually helps out around the office, I show them this picture.

You see, you have to be willing to do whatever it is that you’re asking your team to do. If you’re a pastor, you have to be willing to set up chairs. If you’re a car detail shop owner, you have to be willing to detail the cars. And if you’re a speaker, you have to be willing to throw some boxes. You see, your team pulls a lot of energy from you. Or, conversely, they don’t! When I was still traveling with the road crew, I was always the guy in the truck throwing the boxes to the group of guys on the ground. My team would watch me handle 50% and sometimes 100% of the boxes while they handled 15%.

Why? Because I wanted my team to know that I was willing to outwork anybody. That I was willing to serve them by taking on the toughest job. And that gave them energy to work hard themselves. Can you imagine if I were the guy who always stood out of the way hoping to touch the least amount of boxes? (Believe me, I’ve seen that guy!) Then they would do the same. If your team walks into your office and your feet are up on the desk, theirs will be too. Next time you wonder why nobody works as hard as you think they should, maybe start by taking a look at you. You might be surprised to find the answer in the mirror.

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Don’t Be Bringin’ Me Down!

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In the post You Better Get Ready! I discussed how important it is to be prepared for whatever speaking you are going to do. Doesn’t matter if it’s to 10,000 or to a team of five. When you’re prepared, you have absolutely no reason to be nervous. Also, it allows you to think freely in case something comes up that needs to be injected.

With that post came a great comment from Edwin:

“Chris, do you get excited and feed off of other people’s energy when you look out into the audience and see that one person who ‘gets it’ (I’m sure there is more than one, but who can look at two people at the same time?)? Does this excitement really pump you up and take you to the next level of excitement? Maybe another blog post… ‘Energy – it’s all around us.’”

The truth is, yes! There is nothing like being on stage and seeing that person who is loving what you’re saying! There are certain people who make you just want to talk to them by the way they respond. I actually have some of those people still in mind from talks I did a long time ago. That’s how much of an impact someone can have on a speaker.

The flipside of this is the person who gives you no energy. Some people will even drain it right out of you. That’s when a less-experienced speaker will start changing his whole presentation just to get the crowd on his side. That’s when mistakes are made. The presentation becomes less of what it was meant to be as you try new stuff on the fly in an attempt to get energy.

In 2000, I started Pastor Luncheons where we traveled around the country before our live events to share with pastors about the event that was coming to their cities so they could get their churches on board. And for the first six months it was a hit! Pastors were engaging me, laughing, applauding, etc. Until we got to Knoxville. Now, I spoke for 40 minutes, but it was the longest 40 minutes ever!

As I spoke, I got nuthin’ from the crowd! It was like pullin’ teeth! When I was done I thought, We’re so not getting anything from this group. They hated it. About that time, the first pastor approached me, shook my hand and said, “Thank you so much! That was exactly what we needed!” Then one after another, they came up and told me the same thing. I was like, “WHERE WERE YOU?!” It turned out to be one of our more successful luncheons.

That day, I made the decision to never pull my energy from the crowd. No matter what, I have to go prepared with what I’m going to say, and I need to leave everything right there on the stage. If I truly believe God wanted me to deliver that particular speech, then I can’t worry about how people are reacting. And when I bring my own energy, it makes it that much sweeter when I see those who “get it.”

Since then, I’ve also had people who have gone out of their way to let me know they don’t like what I’m saying. In my earlier days, I would have changed everything just to reach that one person. Now, I could care less. There’s a room full of people who are getting their lives changed. If you don’t like that, stay the same. Let me know later how that’s workin’ for ya. :-)

What’s your answer to Edwin’s question? Have you experienced this too?

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Leadership Spotlight: Daniel Bell

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The Leadership Spotlight continues this week with Daniel Bell. Daniel is bad at keeping secrets. When there is something he loves, he can’t wait to tell the world. Building start-ups during the dot-com boom, leading national public relations and advertising agencies into their first interactive client offerings, and helping start a world-class museum are great ways he has used design to inspire audiences.

Still, nothing compares to building a movement that empowers folks to make smarter choices with their money, business and more. And no one is worse at keeping that a secret than Dave Ramsey.

So when Daniel got the chance to join the team in 2008, it was an easy decision. He works with the creative team to build inspiring, entertaining and educational experiences across the web, in print, on television, through live events, videos, books and even a few T-shirts.

CLo: What is your role in leadership?

DB: I am one of two Creative Directors for Dave’s team of 30+ creatives. Our team supports all of our business units in connecting our products and services with our audiences through multiple media experiences.

CLo: What is the best advice you’ve ever received about leadership?

DB: “It’s amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit.” —Harry Truman

Operating with that focus in mind removes much of the ego and ownership issues that get in the way of simply helping people and moving a mission forward. The ironic part is that it typically creates more authentic business relationships and associated accolades.

Dave shares a similar thought with his statement: “If you help enough people, you don’t have to worry about money.” It’s countercultural to promote and serve others, but the results are substantial.

CLo: What is the biggest challenge facing leaders today?

DB: There is an increasing level of pressure for leaders to be public personas through publishing and social media. It’s true that it might gain you some recognition among peers, but using it to promote yourself versus empowering your customer will create a distraction from the real purpose of your business.

Similarly, it is important to filter what advice you absorb. Given the constant connectivity within this era of business, managing your time and focus is critical to success.

CLo: How do you continue to improve yourself as a leader?

DB: Design, marketing and technology are relationship-driven disciplines. Improving my ability to lead within these environments requires growth in three directions:

1. Personal: It’s important to always be improving the technical skills of my trade: technology, design and communication. One of the best ways to do that is to keep in tune with the best practices and innovations within the industry.

2. Team: We are building a village of targeted missiles who are dedicated to speaking Truth in the marketplace. Our ability to do that is dependent on their abilities and motivation.

3. Customers: No part of our business is more important than supporting our customers in their goals. Here at Lampo that includes advocating for stronger relationships between our business units and their customers by injecting fresh ideas and application for communication experiences.

Ultimately, success requires being an incredible listener to the industry, our team and our customers. Growth happens as a natural by-product of helping those constituencies connect.

CLo: How do you invest in others?

DB: You can only help a person grow as much as you understand that person and where he/she is headed. Then, you simply hold them accountable to the progress that they choose to make. The good news is that there is an easy way to get that information—ask them!

One exercise we do on our team is to have each team member list the strengths and challenges within their abilities. We define goals for where they want to grow and the threats to their overall success in this field. Then we meet every six months to review their progress.

Allowing them to own that progress is empowering and removes the leader’s (my) weaknesses as a barrier for their growth.

CLo: What was the last book you read?

DB: I re-read the book Boundaries by Henry Cloud and John Townsend. No one who has spent more than a week with me doubts my esteem for that book!

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Where Do You Buy Anointing Drops?

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So my former personal assistant, Marybeth, the best personal assistant ever, used to do some of the copy editing on the early versions of the EntreLeadership workbook for me. And there was one sentence that she kept getting hung up on.

Finally she got frustrated and came to me to let me know that the sentence, “The Bible says the anointing drops from the beard” doesn’t have a verb. I pointed out that drops was the verb, and it hit her. She was thinking that these were anointing drops, not the action thereof. We had one of our best laughs together that day! As you can see, I still get a kick out of it.

The verse comes from the days when they used to anoint a new king. When a prophet found a would-be king, he would “anoint” him by breaking a carafe of oil over his head. The oil would then run through the king’s hair, down through his beard and drop onto his body. In other words, the anointing flowed from the head to the body, representing God as the head and us as the body.

This also illustrates the idea that as the head is, so will the body be. If the king was a great warrior, so would his people be. If he was merciful, so would his people be. If he was a tyrant, etc. This makes it one of the best leadership lessons. If you have a team, or a “body,” then you have to realize you are the head. As you are, so will they be. If you’re a total jerk, your people will be jerks to each other, and more importantly, to your customers. If you’re all about taking care of people, your team will love taking care of your customers.

Either way, your focus needs to be on you. What are you doing to make sure you are being the best “head” for your team? What areas have you noticed that need some serious work, and which areas could just use a few tweaks? Are you, as hard as it is to do so, giving your team the opportunity to tell you what’s wrong with you? Or do you lead your team by fear, in which case they wouldn’t say anything if you paid them? Spend some time thinking through what it should look like to represent your company, then figure out what it takes to get there.

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